Comments on: Sunday Salon: Why questions about art and creativity can be tiresome

By: Jacob Russell

Jacob Russell — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:59:04 +0000

Without reference to actual works, I would agree. What is there to say?
But even theoretical considerations arise from knowledge of actual works, do they not? How else does one confirm or challenge their formulations? It seems to me that this is the more productive response–to apply theory to actual cases, rather than issue announcements on the death of metaphysics. A complete digression… I first wrote "How else do you confirm… then changed "you" to "one." I once had a most unfortunate exchange that began with a misreading of the American convention of the impersonal "you," rather than the more common British, "one." It went on and on. I couldn’t understand why my correspondent had taken such offense–as though I had issued a personal attack, when my complaint, whatever it was, was on an entirely general level. "One" sounds quite unatural to me… but sometimes, for prophylactic reasons, it’s better for one to adopt the conventions of one’s interlocutors.

By: Nigel Beale

Nigel Beale — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:36:43 +0000

Thanks everyone for your feedback.

Jacob R re: "You posit false, or at least, misleading alternatives. Either "define" by what you believe to be "facts" what this so-called genius-an-sich thing is, or get on with what we all really want: tawdry gossip to alleviate the anxiety of facing stuff we can’t pin answers to."

I don’t believe I’ve posited a false dichotomy. I’ve simply said that there are certain ‘big’ questions whose ‘answers’ are tautological. I’ve also said that pondering them, to a point, can be valuable. That point is arrived at when nothing ‘new’ can be said. Most of the big questions were asked by the Greeks.

Re: responding “as individuals in relationship to the work…

You are talking here about specific questions…the answers to which are not tautological, but which incorporate knowledge, culture and history, as you say. Context and comparison as I say. I agree with you that the useful questions examine a whole range of responses to the specific work. I simply say again that some broad questions, after due consideration, do nothing to further 'inform our responses.'

By: Jacob Russell

Jacob Russell — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 05:20:44 +0000

You read my comment with about as much attention as you evidently give to Wittgenstein–which I suppose I should take as a compliment. I categorically excluded such a naive and simplistic idea of "subjectivity," the subject as a monad, as though an individual responds in a vacuum.Either way, your either/or leaves us little more than gossip. Why bother?

By: Richard

Richard — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:01:16 +0000

"Forget whatever it is that gives them their power to engage us." Yes. We should categorically forget that. We should forget get it because the implied ‘us’ in that sentence is at best meaningless and at worst leads to a form of criticism which genuinely does sound like nails on slate; the critic who mistakes his subjective predilections for the universe.

By: Jacob Russell

Jacob Russell — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:45:28 +0000

Poor Wittgenstein, for his "of what we cannot speak. Poor Coleridge, for his "suspension of disbelief." Like finger nails on slate, the endless misappropriations of these lines.

By: Jacob Russell

Jacob Russell — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:28:21 +0000

You posit false, or at least, misleading alternatives. Either "define" by what you believe to be "facts" (nevermind how many questions are begged in those two ideas alone) what this so-called genius-an-sich thing is, or get on with what we all really want: tawdry gossip to alleviate the anxiety of facing stuff we can’t pin answers to.Sure, if you’re looking for answers, definitive or otherwise, to what makes Picasso Picasso, you’re going to end up talking about how he treated his mistresses. How convenient. Forget the paintings. Forget whatever it is that gives them their power to engage us. Thinking about art and literature involves thinking about our own response, but thinking that moves beyond "monadic subjectivity." We perceive, think, feel and respond not as individuals entirely self-contained, but as individuals in relationship to the work, to our knowledge of works of the past, engaged out of the place we have taken in culture and history. This is what we are challenged to think about when we want to think about literature–the fluid and changing configurations that make up our engagement with the works in our mediating relationships with them. That we must either have "answers" to our questions (dead-stop, end of discussion… which is what an "answer" is), or we are left with nothing more than "I know what I like"… this is absurdly simplistic. The useful questions are those that examine the whole range of our response to the work; and what we seek are not "answers," but ever more informed responses to what is before us.

By: Amateur Reader

Amateur Reader — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:28:25 +0000

I like Wittgenstein’s "must" there. Alternative rewording, based on my real-world observation: "Of what we cannot speak, we must babble incessantly." I include myself in that "we", unfortunately.

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By: Richard

Richard — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:54:20 +0000

That’s generally the problem with something deemed to exist ex nihilio or to be irreducible; it’s an eminent candidate for ‘of what we cannot speak, we must remain silent.”